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9 hours ago, sinbad10 said:

Unfortunately it will see the demise of Arcadia and Aurora if not before she sails but very soon after.

Well that will be the end of my P & O cruises.  We went on a 38 night cruise on Venture last  February ( oh those where the days) can’t say I was very impressed with her, much prefer Arcadia 

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We haven't sailed with P&O since disembarking Aurora in Auckland 5 years ago, almost to the day.  What we perceived to be declining standards over the years from our very first taste on board Arcadia (was that really around 20 years ago?) and a preference for smaller ships, with more interesting itineraries, have steered us elsewhere.  Arvia is unlikely to attract us back.

I would never say "never" but most unlikely.

DavidH

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On 2/17/2021 at 10:40 AM, Pesky Pirate said:

So who knew P & O we’re having yet another new ship when Iona hasn’t even started sailing. Same size ship apparently as Iona... it does make you wonder how they are going to fill them once cruising starts again..

whilst I say good luck with it I think they should have waited a while personally...

These things are outside their control in that Carnival Corp have their hands on the rudder. The contract for "Gala 2" as it was previously known was signed a good couple of years ago. She has been slightly delayed as the original plan was for her to be introduced for the Summer 22 season but she has been pushed back to December next year so far.

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On 2/17/2021 at 1:18 PM, sinbad10 said:

Unfortunately it will see the demise of Arcadia and Aurora if not before she sails but very soon after.

I would be very surprised if Aurora is still with P&O at Easter 2023. I have a cruise booked on her for August next year and just hope that she is still in the fleet then. Pre-Covid, I expected Oceana to go when Iona was introduced and Aurora when Gala 2/Arvia came on stream. With the effects of the pandemic crisis likely to last some time, their demise could well come forward sadly.

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On 2/17/2021 at 10:24 PM, Countrygirl said:

Well that will be the end of my P & O cruises.  We went on a 38 night cruise on Venture last  February ( oh those where the days) can’t say I was very impressed with her, much prefer Arcadia 

You are not alone.  Me too and I have seen the same said by a number of people on other cruise fora. Unfortunately, Carnival Corp has decided to take P&O down the 'pile it high, sell it cheap' path. As I said above, I have a cruise booked on Aurora next year but if they do sell her off before then, I doubt I will cruise with them again. I don't dislike Arcadia but wouldn't have any trust left at all with P&O as a company. It will cost me significantly more but I will move my custom to Fred Olsen who at least (currently) have 4 nice, smaller ships.

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On 2/18/2021 at 10:24 AM, DavidH said:

We haven't sailed with P&O since disembarking Aurora in Auckland 5 years ago, almost to the day.  What we perceived to be declining standards over the years from our very first taste on board Arcadia (was that really around 20 years ago?) and a preference for smaller ships, with more interesting itineraries, have steered us elsewhere.  Arvia is unlikely to attract us back.

I would never say "never" but most unlikely.

DavidH

And I wouldn't be surprised to see further changes to the P&O product over the next few years David. There will only be Freedom Dining on Iona (and therefore Arvia) and they will only have 1 Formal Night per week, named Gala Night. P&O have so far released very few renderings of Iona's interiors and despite her being handed over some time ago, no photos at all. The few renderings released mostly seem to show thirty-somethings dressed in jeans and t-shirts. My guess is that 6-12 months after Iona starts sailing they do away with Formal Nights altogether due to "customer feedback".

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On 2/17/2021 at 1:18 PM, sinbad10 said:

Unfortunately it will see the demise of Arcadia and Aurora if not before she sails but very soon after.

Quite agree Sinbad10. All the cruise companies have borrowed eye watering amounts of money and expended large amounts on new ships and it is these new ships that will return the required profits to repay that which has been borrowed. Cruise companies are like any other company, yes they enjoy loyalty but loyalty doesn't pay the bills in many cases. Aurora and Arcadia, built in 2000 and 2004 respectively still have useful life in them but will return much lower profits than the new ships simply because of running costs and will eventually go. P&O have a lot of competition in the large ship market from the likes of Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, NCL, MSC etc. and in turn will become the British version of them. Just my personal opinion, and I admit I could be wrong but time will tell.

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Either way if PandO want to keep their ‘loyal’ clientele they will certainly have to up their game no matter which ship it is on. They have gone downhill with the cruise experience, even during the time I have cruised with them, and as OWT says folk will walk. However cruise lines also have to realise that not everyone wants the ‘butlins at sea’ type of cruise either....

 

I must admit I wouldn’t mind trying out the zip line 😂although I do wonder how many people realise that they may not be insured if something untoward happens.

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All cruise lines have gone "downhill" in the last few years and the cause of much discussion on many cruise lines. Headline price has never been cheaper since we started cruising 23yrs ago when we paid over £100pppd for cheapest inside cabins on the QE2. The product has changed dramatically but you cannot expect the service and product of yesteryear at today's prices so something has to give. Personally like the optional choice at cost of speciality restaurants and coffee shops but nobody is forced to pay extra costs its just nice to have the choice. In early days there was no choice of dining like there is these days. Take into account inflation and rising costs if the product stayed the same as few years ago then cruising would be out of the reach of many. 

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On 2/18/2021 at 10:24 AM, DavidH said:

We haven't sailed with P&O since disembarking Aurora in Auckland 5 years ago, almost to the day.  What we perceived to be declining standards over the years from our very first taste on board Arcadia (was that really around 20 years ago?) and a preference for smaller ships, with more interesting itineraries, have steered us elsewhere.  Arvia is unlikely to attract us back.

I would never say "never" but most unlikely.

DavidH

My favourite ship was the Aurora. We last cruised on her in 2015. It was the world cruise and like you thought standards had declined. We tried the Oceana in 2016 and didn't like that ship at all and again realised standards weren't what they had once been. Since then we've cruised with Cunard and are very unlikely to go back to P&O. We will never be enticed onto a larger ship.

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Further to my post back on 23rd Feb, I do find P&O's current marketing strategy for their two new ships somewhat bizarre. As I said above, despite Iona having been handed over some months ago now, they have not released any photos of her interiors. The only widely-seen renderings have been of the Atrium, Skydome and cabins. A few days ago they released renderings of Arvia's Atrium, Skydome and some restaurants. So now they have published almost as many renderings of a ship that is nearly two years off service as they have for a ship that is ready to sail. All seems very strange to me...

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