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So here we go again. Another 4 weeks of lock down but will it suppress the virus, who knows. If it doesn't what next. Interesting to note that Bolsover are now selling land based holidays, is this an indication they can't see cruising returning anytime soon. And when they do return does anyone want to risk sailing without a vaccine. Lets wait and see.

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1 hour ago, Oldworldtraveller said:

So here we go again. Another 4 weeks of lock down but will it suppress the virus, who knows. If it doesn't what next. Interesting to note that Bolsover are now selling land based holidays, is this an indication they can't see cruising returning anytime soon. And when they do return does anyone want to risk sailing without a vaccine. Lets wait and see.

Good questions but it seems no one in the World knows the answers, not even Donald Trump.

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7 hours ago, Oldworldtraveller said:

So here we go again. Another 4 weeks of lock down but will it suppress the virus, who knows. If it doesn't what next. Interesting to note that Bolsover are now selling land based holidays, is this an indication they can't see cruising returning anytime soon. And when they do return does anyone want to risk sailing without a vaccine. Lets wait and see.

Good question OWT.

I personally don't see the cruise industry returning to any sort of normality for at least a couple of years even with a vaccine.

I wouldn't even consider cruising until restrictions are lifted, cruising with face masks, social distancing, dining and shore restrictions doesn't appeal.

It must be so difficult for Bolsover in the current circumstances, so I guess selling land based holidays is a way of keeping their head above water, but again in the current climate and travel restrictions not sure how viable it will be long term.

Take care and stay safe everyone, hopefully this four week lockdown will enable Christmas to be an enjoyable occasion for all.

HLM.

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10 hours ago, Oldworldtraveller said:

So here we go again. Another 4 weeks of lock down but will it suppress the virus, who knows. If it doesn't what next. Interesting to note that Bolsover are now selling land based holidays, is this an indication they can't see cruising returning anytime soon. And when they do return does anyone want to risk sailing without a vaccine. Lets wait and see.

Yes another 4 weeks, but then I have not really been out much since we returned home from our last cruise on 17th March. I Just wish people would do as they are told then maybe the transmission would be lower. We maybe the older generation but we still want to get on with our lives.

I look forward to be able to cruise again, so let’s wish and pray for a vaccine soon.

LOOK AFTER YOURSELVES AND KEEP SAFE

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At least last time we were locked down, we had good weather which allowed for great walks/bike rides in our wonderful countryside.  All those tracks and fields are a much wetter. colder, windier proposition now.

Dancing shoes back in the cupboard.  Table tennis bat likewise.  Might have to rig the bike back up to the static trainer!! 

Boring!!!  But, still with hope.

DavidH

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I’d just about got used to wearing a mask  for a short time in the shops but now they’re closing again. I still click & collect groceries as I can’t get used to people in all directions in the aisles chatting & blocking the way. It’s a shame for the smaller shops as they organised things well & will now lose a lot of Christmas trade - our local shopping centre has seen a lot of shops close for good already. I’m still hopeful for our 2 cruises next year but who knows. Keep well everyone.

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18 hours ago, 2torts said:

I’d just about got used to wearing a mask  for a short time in the shops but now they’re closing again. I still click & collect groceries as I can’t get used to people in all directions in the aisles chatting & blocking the way. It’s a shame for the smaller shops as they organised things well & will now lose a lot of Christmas trade - our local shopping centre has seen a lot of shops close for good already. I’m still hopeful for our 2 cruises next year but who knows. Keep well everyone.

Good morning 2torts.

Could I ask if your cruises do go ahead would you still go with restrictions onboard in place, such as face masks, social-distancing etc?

HLM.

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3 hours ago, Pesky Pirate said:

The problem is, to allow social distancing on ships would mean fewer passengers so a good hike in prices. To have to wear face masks on a cruise would be similar to a chap shaving his beard off after being on holiday... lots of white bits. Prices have already gone up 🙁

P&O prices for Summer 2022 due to go on sail next week have not had a great increase in price. Prices for 2021 have gone up to silly prices because of demand with so many cancelling cruises this year and our cruise on Arcadia in 2021 had gone up considerably since we booked it in September 2019 before Covid and cruise lines ceasing sailing so that has nothing to do with fewer passengers so a hike in prices.

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8 hours ago, HLM said:

Good morning 2torts.

Could I ask if your cruises do go ahead would you still go with restrictions onboard in place, such as face masks, social-distancing etc?

HLM.

Yes we would. We usually keep to ourselves a lot anyway having a table for 2 for dinner then going to the theatre or for a drink. Wearing a mask between venues wouldn’t be too bad & we’d get used to it quite quickly I hope. 
On a more hopeful note we’ve just sorted out a cruise for August 2022 with Bolsover which they will confirm next week so by then I hope all this will be just a bad memory.

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15 hours ago, 2torts said:

Yes we would. We usually keep to ourselves a lot anyway having a table for 2 for dinner then going to the theatre or for a drink. Wearing a mask between venues wouldn’t be too bad & we’d get used to it quite quickly I hope. 
On a more hopeful note we’ve just sorted out a cruise for August 2022 with Bolsover which they will confirm next week so by then I hope all this will be just a bad memory.

Hope you did not mind me asking, but it's just there's been so many differing views about the restrictions onboard with an equal divide as to whether people will or will not cruise with them in place.

I personally have decided not to cruise with onboard restrictions in place, it'll be interesting what experiences people do have when cruising finally opens up again.

HLM.

 

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Like HLM I will not cruise with restrictions in place and not being able to go ashore and wander around. To me freedom to go where I want when ashore is high on my list of cruise 'Likes'. It's a time when you get to see the real culture of the area as opposed to what the tour guides want you to see. I can understand the logic of it under current circumstances but is not for me. My other worry is those that don't wash their hands after using the toilet, those that refuse to sanitise their hands prior to entering a buffet or restaurant, those that don't obey the rules. No one misses cruising more than myself but I think I will wait for the vaccine which hopefully will be early next year in time for cruising to return maybe next summer. 

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Back in February, HAL cancelled our Japan and Russia cruise and promptly refunded all monies payed.

With the help of both Bolsover (through whom the cruise was booked) and Trailfinders (flights and pre-cruise land tour package), we re-scheduled the trip for April 2021.  Bolsover have just informed me that the date for the cruise balance payment has been deferred by one month to early February 2021.  I guess by then HAL will be making a decision as to whether or not the cruise can go ahead, thus avoiding taking final payments which would need to be refunded.

If it does go ahead, we currently intend to be on it.  Not sure for how many more years we will remain fit enough to make such a trip.  Tempus fugit!!

DavidH

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I would prefer not to cruise whilst restrictions are in place and certainly wouldn't want to do so as a solo traveller. My cruise booked for next June is with a friend and is very port-intensive within Northern Europe. Fortunately, Fred Olsen are being very flexible in the current circumstances.

I have pre-registered with P&O (via Bolsover) for a Med cruise on Aurora in 2022. I've decided I have to be positive about 2022 and believe that either Covid will be under control by then or we will have developed reasonable ways to live with it.

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Received an email from HAL in the early hours of this morning giving us an update on our planned cruise of Japan and Russia, scheduled for April 2021.  Bear in mind that this trip was a already a re-booking of our cancelled April 2020 cruise.

Referring to the recently released Framework for Conditional Sailing from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, this is what they had to tell us:- 

"As we continue to prepare and develop our plans, we have made the decision to extend our pause in cruise operations for all departures through March 31, 2021, cruises of eight days or longer that call at a U.S. port through November 1, 2021, and select longer cruise itineraries departing this spring. As a result, your upcoming voyage has been affected. 

You will be automatically re-booked on the below voyage with your cruise fare and promotions protected, in the same (or equivalent) stateroom category. As a gesture of our appreciation, an Onboard Credit (OBC) will be applied to your new booking of USD $150 per person (up to USD $300 per stateroom).

Noordam (Voyage N123), Monday, April 11, 2022, 14-day Japan and Russia."   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Can't say as I'm surprised and at least we've been given plenty of notice.  We've been advised that the re-booking confirmation will be sent to us by 8 December 2020 and, at that point, we can raise any queries or "consider an alternate sailing" either via our Agent or direct with their Southampton office.

In the current climate, I thought members might find it helpful to know the thinking from across the pond.

DavidH

 

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On 11/21/2020 at 10:26 AM, DavidH said:

Received an email from HAL in the early hours of this morning giving us an update on our planned cruise of Japan and Russia, scheduled for April 2021.  Bear in mind that this trip was a already a re-booking of our cancelled April 2020 cruise.

Referring to the recently released Framework for Conditional Sailing from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, this is what they had to tell us:- 

"As we continue to prepare and develop our plans, we have made the decision to extend our pause in cruise operations for all departures through March 31, 2021, cruises of eight days or longer that call at a U.S. port through November 1, 2021, and select longer cruise itineraries departing this spring. As a result, your upcoming voyage has been affected. 

You will be automatically re-booked on the below voyage with your cruise fare and promotions protected, in the same (or equivalent) stateroom category. As a gesture of our appreciation, an Onboard Credit (OBC) will be applied to your new booking of USD $150 per person (up to USD $300 per stateroom).

Noordam (Voyage N123), Monday, April 11, 2022, 14-day Japan and Russia."   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Can't say as I'm surprised and at least we've been given plenty of notice.  We've been advised that the re-booking confirmation will be sent to us by 8 December 2020 and, at that point, we can raise any queries or "consider an alternate sailing" either via our Agent or direct with their Southampton office.

In the current climate, I thought members might find it helpful to know the thinking from across the pond.

DavidH

 

Sorry to hear that David, but inevitable really. Is the 2022 itinerary identical?

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On 11/25/2020 at 1:59 PM, afcandrew said:

Sorry to hear that David, but inevitable really. Is the 2022 itinerary identical?

Hi Andrew,

Apologies for the delayed response.  I've been unable to access the Forum website for the last few days for some reason.  Don't know if anyone else has experienced the same "timed out" issue?

As for the itinerary, I'm waiting until we get confirmation of the booking and our cabin allocation before considering whether or not to go ahead.  I'll check the itinerary at that point - hopefully, during the course of the next week.

Regards,

DavidH

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4 hours ago, Oldworldtraveller said:

With the announcement of a vaccine it looks like cruising could come back sooner than many expected. It is now up to the regulators, fingers crossed.

I hope you are right but will it depend upon how soon vaccination programmes start in other countries? Someone on another forum has suggested that France will not start a significant roll-out until April...?

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Whilst the news is positive about a vaccine, I think there should still be a lot of caution.

From what I understand the vaccine like the current flu jab doesn't give total immunity but will stop hospitalisation in many cases, they also don't know yet if it can still be transmitted by those immunised to those who ain't.

When you look at how it's going to be rolled out the likelihood of it getting it to the mass population any time soon is still a long, long way away.

As someone who falls into the unlikely to get a vaccine category, there's still to much uncertainty for me for me to be confident enough to cruise or travel abroad.

HLM.

 

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