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Seems more and more lines are stopping smoking on balconies........

.....we smokers have already accepted extreme smoking restrictions over the years and have accepted that to smoke comfortably a more expensive balcony room needs to be booked and now they are restricting that also. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

Whilst I can appreciate non smokers requirements and have accepted restricted smoking on decks and internal facilities, and can also appreciate fire hazards from smokers, this really is cruise lines going too far in bending towards their non smoking customers. We smokers are paying the same price but already are discriminated and effectively enjoy fewer facilities because of our terrible habit. However, it is more than a habit for many, it is a need, and to stop us smoking OUTDOORS in our own personal expensive balcony space is going too far.

Come on, smokers unite, the non smokers have complained and won, time to fight back and complain profusely ourselves. Ok we can accept some balcony restriction if you like, but why not just make balconies on one side of ship non smoking like on deck? There is a reasonable compromise to satisfy all customers if the cruise liners really wanted to satisfy all. ACT NOW to complain or we may find cruise liners eventually banning all smoking on board in which case I would have to stop my 3 cruises a year which I love.

To be confined at sea after paying for private accommodation without being able to smoke may even be an infringement of my human rights, like prisoners! And please, don't be boring and post back that I should just quit, it's not easy, I don't want to and we've heard it all before. Let's just try and compromise to satisfy all.

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Seems more and more lines are stopping smoking on balconies........ .....we smokers have already accepted extreme smoking restrictions over the years and have accepted that to smoke comfortably a mor

I can see where you're going with this argument, but I'd say this more applies to non-smokers. You, as a smoker, can use all of the same facilities (including your balcony) as non-smokers.  If you're

Okay, okay, non-smokers as always the louder voice, I accept and concede. However, what about the compromise idea of balconies only one side/certain decks being smoking allowed? Seems fairer to all? E

A difficult issue which will always be massively influenced by whether or not you are a smoker. I have no problem with people smoking (after all it is their choice) provided I am not forced to inhale their smoke, as I find it genuinely a horrible experience. The problem with balcony smoking, particularly when the breeze is in the wrong direction is that people who have paid for their expensive balcony get the full force of the smoke and have to vacate which is hardly fair.

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We smokers are paying the same price but already are discriminated and effectively enjoy fewer facilities because of our terrible habit. However, it is more than a habit for many, it is a need, and to stop us smoking OUTDOORS in our own personal expensive balcony space is going too far.

I can see where you're going with this argument, but I'd say this more applies to non-smokers.

You, as a smoker, can use all of the same facilities (including your balcony) as non-smokers.  If you're allowed to smoke on your balcony then adjacent non-smokers (who may have asthma or other respiratory issues) cannot use their balcony.

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Further to Firefly's comment above, I believe NCL are fairly unrestrictive with their smoking policy.  From their website:

 

For the comfort and enjoyment of our guests, public areas throughout all Norwegian Cruise Line ships are smoke free. Cigarette smoking is allowed in the staterooms, balconies, in the casino or Cigar Bar (where available). Pipes or cigars are allowed in the Cigar Bar or designated smoking lounge only. Cigarettes, pipes, and cigars, are also allowed outside on open decks (just not around food venues, sport decks, kids’ pool areas and other designated non-smoking areas). Cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco must always be properly disposed of and never thrown overboard.
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I can see where you're going with this argument, but I'd say this more applies to non-smokers.

You, as a smoker, can use all of the same facilities (including your balcony) as non-smokers.  If you're allowed to smoke on your balcony then adjacent non-smokers (who may have asthma or other respiratory issues) cannot use their balcony.

 

A very valid point Duncan and one the smoking fraternity conveniently tend to ignore.

 

What always amazes me is how on earth do they manage, having claimed 'it is a need', to desist on a 12 hour long haul flight.

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Okay, okay, non-smokers as always the louder voice, I accept and concede. However, what about the compromise idea of balconies only one side/certain decks being smoking allowed? Seems fairer to all? Earlier you book, more chance of your own choice as with any other room type or position!? Views?

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The3amigos you are never going to have a winner on this topic or any other topic which involves smoking, You will always have the non-smokers (not all) telling everyone how their cruises are totally ruined by somebody else having the cheek to smoke on a balcony, the funniest being I heard one lady at breakfast telling all on her table about it and how bad it was and then go into her cabin opposite mine which was an inside!!!! I expect she wrote a letter of complaint as well.

I agree with you the fair way to do it would be to have a set area of balcony cabins for those who wish to smoke but I do not think that will happen. The only thing which will happen now is the area set aside for smokers will have non-smoker moaning as they have to walk through it or they are being denied sitting space in an area they would like to sit if it wasn't for smokers :wacko:

BTW this is in no way the attitude of all non-smokers some just don't worry or mind either way.

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I agree as a smoker that it would make sense to have one side of the ship with balconies non smoking, and one side smoking. I really can appreciate, that non smokers do not like the smell of smoke, however interestingly enough on the smoking side of the promenade deck (P & O) if it happens to have the sun, it is packed with non smokers pulling their faces when a smoker lights up, but when there is a gale blowing on the smoking side of the ship they are no where to be seen. I can say that all the cruises I have been on that I have never seen a smoker smoking other than in designated smoking areas. Also I think that smokers should be given some slack, as non smokers must have 99.99 per cent of the ship as non smoking, and this is something I can quite happily live with. And just out of interest, we always book an inside cabin not a balcony so we can smoke, we would rather have another holiday with the money saved, and go to the designated smoking areas for our fix.

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If you make one side smoking and the other non smoking what do you do when the only cabins left are on the smoking side of the ship which is what will happen as smokers are now in a very small minority. You are then back to square one. Personally I think the day will come in the near future when all ships will be non smoking. The number of clients the cruise lines will lose will be minimal and it may even attract more people. Yes I am an ex smoker and happy to be so. 20 a day now costs over £2,000 a year which is another cruise or in the real world the cost of my gas, electricity, water, car insurance and tax for a year. 

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Following from Oldworldtraveller, even ignoring the decreasing number of smokers the one-side-of-the-ship method would still be unfair.

 

You'd find that, while smokers can basically choose to get a cabin anywhere on the ship (many will happily contain their smoking to the designated areas) the non-smokers (at least those with respiratory conditions) will have no choice but to limit themselves to half of the balcony cabins on the ship!

 

Ultimately smoking is a choice and imposing that choice of yours on to other people is unfair and damaging.

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I am always amazed when this subject comes up about the term " Smokers are a small minority" if they are indeed so very few why is it so many people complain about their ruined holidays I am confused.

Are they few or are they not?

I think the reason Jaczs is that one smoker can affect quite a lot of people. It is not a one on one situation.

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I was pointing out the cost Ron as to what it represents to me. To others who are far wealthier than I, it would of course possibly have little effect.

Oldworldtraveller, I did not intend to cause offence sorry if I did, it is just that everybody goes on about the cost,as if we did not know once again my apologies if I caused offence ;)

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Hi There,

 

I must congratulate The3Amigos for speaking out about this, I am a reformed smoker but I must say I enjoy the occasional cigar and or cigarette when I am on holiday, must be the relaxing atmosphere, but more to the point my wife is still a regular smoker, and to most smokers they find the habit enjoyable, so I fail to see why the cruise lines would pander to the non smokers as after all the smell is mainly wafted away on the sea breezes, at least that has been my experience.

 

I have always objected to this draconian legislation, which was initiated in Scotland by our then first minister Jack McConnell who in my opinion was pretty useless and this appears to be his claim to fame by inconveniencing many patrons of pubs and clubs by forcing them to go to a kind of Leper colony so they could feed their filthy habit and thereby putting many landlords out of business as clientele were forced to stand outside in all sorts of weather. Surely it would have been simpler to give people the choice to choose either a smoking or a non smoking establishment and perhaps this could be the answer to the cruising dilemma port or starboard balconies for the smokers!!!

 

I wonder if there is a legal firm who could take the legislation to court 'Pro Bono' as per the suggestion, as an infringement of human rights,personally I think this would be a far more interesting case than some of the stuff and nonsense we hear about coming from Strasbourg

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So some people are suggesting bringing human rights into this are they. Pathetic......must be desperate for their fix that's all I can say.

And what Court would this be heard in then. ECHR of course. But then what about the American owned and based ships, what about all the other foreign based ships not in the EU where this legislation wouldn't apply.

Waste of money, waste of time, and waste of resources, as well as a very stupid, ill thought out and unworkable idea.

Move on stokers, move on.

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What about my human rights to not to inhale filthy second hand smoke from somebody else.

Shilly I see your point but I would also ask you how about the ships fumes & car fumes I am afraid where ever we walk run or go we are all bombarded by what we don't want. If we want things to go clean really clean then we need to go back to cavemen before fires but even then we had the fumes from gases produced by animal & human waste.

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So some people are suggesting bringing human rights into this are they. Pathetic......must be desperate for their fix that's all I can say.

And what Court would this be heard in then. ECHR of course. But then what about the American owned and based ships, what about all the other foreign based ships not in the EU where this legislation wouldn't apply.

Waste of money, waste of time, and waste of resources, as well as a very stupid, ill thought out and unworkable idea.

Move on stokers, move on.

Lets persuade the cruise lines to have smoke free ships and also smoking permissible  ships, surely that would prevent any arguments and give cruisers freedom of choice,and also use the suggestion I have already made on the smoking ships, put all the smoking balconies at the aft end and all the non smoking at the front so therefore the smoke would be dissipated aft and the forward cabins would be smoke free.   Lets face it the only way to resolve this is by compromise, as Abraham Lincoln said you can keep some of the people happy some of the time etc. etc so why don't we work together and try and keep everyone happy

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