ron 606 Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Does anybody think that going green with P&O makes any impact on saving paper or is it to do with the company saving money on paper, as when you go green the company saves paper but the customer does not !! Ron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dennis The Menace 138 Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 The only people I know who have gone green are those that deny they ever have done so (but P&O give it as an excuse for them not receiving a mailing, brochure etc). If there are people who intentionally go green then I hope, and believe, that P&O save paper etc by them doing this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pesky Pirate 172 Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 When you go green you don't get your brochure with the luggage labels in and to be honest I like having the book to look through at the excursions even though I don't do many these days…. Also, unless I can get my labels laminated, I am not sure how secure and untearable the ones you print off yourselves are. Not only that we pay a lot of money for the cruises, we now have to do our own tickets so why not let the cruise operator send you stuff… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pesky Pirate 172 Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Dennis, you beat me to it… lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ron 606 Posted April 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Dennis, My point being P&O say it is to save paper but the customer has to print off about the same amount so it is not helping save paper, and no I am not an ECO warrior Ron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dst87 353 Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I think the amount of paper used in the paperless systems is significantly less than when cruise companies send literature out. So far I've had absolutely no paperwork at all for my cruise. An online booking with e-mail confirmation. I'll eventually print out a single 2-page document for check-in - that's it! AND no fuel is used in getting that paperwork to me. Celebrity do still allow you to request luggage tags, so I do that because it's easier and I have a feeling I use more reinforcement paper when printing my own tags than Celebrity to use to send me the plastic-y ones! All good news in my book, and I'd much rather download the PDF cruise literature with excursions etc and read it on my iPad or Kindle than have all of that extra paper. Furby and sammy sun 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terminator 916 Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I've gone green unintentionally. .. Admin how do I change my name to the Jolly Green Giant please? Which reminds me of an old Ken Dodd joke... What a great day for sticking a cucumber through someones letter box, knocking on the door and shouting Hello...it's the Jolly Green Giant here... Oldworldtraveller and ron 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Land Ahoy 797 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Hi Of course it's to save money but by suggesting the company is adopting "Green" policies prevents many from maoning. PS All cruise lines do this not just P&O by the way. ron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ron 606 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Can only comment on P&O as this is the only cruise line I use Ron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dennis The Menace 138 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Dennis, My point being P&O say it is to save paper but the customer has to print off about the same amount so it is not helping save paper, and no I am not an ECO warrior Ron Hi Ron, yes it's good point re tickets, luggage labels etc - as you say, someone has to print them off so not much planet saving going on. However, not sure if this comes under the same "going green" section, but the excursion booklet is something that neither I or P&O have printed for the last couple of cruises, so hopefully that was done for green reasons rather than reducing costs. ron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sheila 37 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Suppose the cruise companies do want to do their bit but I think it is more to do with reducing their postage costs. Like others, I still prefer to receive the proper luggage labels rather than print them off. The coloured labels must make it easier for the crew to get luggage to the appropriate decks anyway. I still feel that a lot of paper is wasted during a cruise. Just think of all the department promotional flyers that are placed in each cabin mailbox. Most of it is also noted in the daily events paper so, is really unnecessary. And yes I know that much is recycled but even the recycling process leaves a carbon footprint. ron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dst87 353 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Suppose the cruise companies do want to do their bit but I think it is more to do with reducing their postage costs. Like others, I still prefer to receive the proper luggage labels rather than print them off. The coloured labels must make it easier for the crew to get luggage to the appropriate decks anyway. I still feel that a lot of paper is wasted during a cruise. Just think of all the department promotional flyers that are placed in each cabin mailbox. Most of it is also noted in the daily events paper so, is really unnecessary. And yes I know that much is recycled but even the recycling process leaves a carbon footprint. It will reduce postage costs (but also the environmental impact of the delivery), but at the same time they had to develop and maintain (and pay for) a system to allow customers to manage their booking, check-in, and print what they need online. This cost isn't negligible either. I do like the proper labels. I love that Celebrity will send you them even though everything else is online. Might be worth suggesting to the other companies too! I agree that a lot of paper is wasted on a cruise. I think that in the near future we're going to see lines develop an app to be used while on board that allows you to view your account, book dinner reservations and excursions, and see the daily planner etc. They might even have e-Tickets for excursions eventually! I don't think they can make this compulsory like the check-in system as not everyone will have an iPhone/iPad with them on board. I'd certainly use it, though, and would much rather that than have all that paper delivered every night. All I end up doing is taking a photo of the daily guide anyway, as I have my iPhone on me all the time so it's far more convenient! The possibilities are endless! ron and Oldworldtraveller 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Furby 441 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am with dst87 instead of being sent reems of paper, have it on the computer, have a folder just for that holiday and its all in one place then when I travel all I have are a few bits of paper for tickets, so much easier as most of the stuff sent out you actually dont need to travel with Appreciate if you have not got a computer or dont feel confident using one then its not so easy but that does seem to be less and less people now adays Oldworldtraveller and ron 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oldworldtraveller 2225 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 I agree that a lot of paper is wasted on a cruise. I think that in the near future we're going to see lines develop an app to be used while on board that allows you to view your account, book dinner reservations and excursions, and see the daily planner etc. Hi Duncan, It has been possible to do this on RCI and Celebrity via the in cabin TV for at least the last 10 years to my personal knowledge. Some other lines need to catch up. OWT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dst87 353 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Hi Duncan, It has been possible to do this on RCI and Celebrity via the in cabin TV for at least the last 10 years to my personal knowledge. Some other lines need to catch up. OWT That's true - you can do some of this (albeit a little clumsily) on the interactive TV on board. I used it for checking my account quite regularly, and ordering room service. I think having a mobile app that connects locally using the ship's WiFi (but without connected externally to the internet) would allow on the spot booking of dining, spa and excursions (which should increase revenue though impulsiveness) and could also offer todays programme, maybe allowing people to set reminders. An app like this could also be used to keep track of your party and include a local messaging system where you could 'text' for free between passengers (Costa released this fairly recently with their new MyCosta app). The possibilities really are endless. Furby 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terminator 916 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Nooooooooooo. I don't want to be listening to peoples phones going off telling them they have a text. It's bad enough ashore with people walking around like zombies with their phones in their hands texting each other. The number of times people have walked into me because they're not watching where they're going. If anything cruise lines should have a dampening field to stop the use of phones aboard. Bah humbug.... ron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dst87 353 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 But Terminator: that already happens! Ships already provide cell service (albeit at a huge cost) so it's already possible. In any case, most people these days keep their phones on vibrate when in areas where others might be disturbed. If people have paid all that money and walk around with their heads in an iPhone... what do you care? It's their loss. Just enjoy your holiday! Welcome to the 21st Century! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terminator 916 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 But it's not their loss when I have to listen to their conversation. Time to fight back against this inexorable march of technology..it's all fine in the right place. Maybe ships should have areas for you phone addicts like they have for nicotine addicts.. After all it's like a drug to some people. Me..I was brought up in an age when the words mobile and phone meant you got up off your derriere and walked to the nearest phone box. Usually at 6 o' clock for the cheap calls. ron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dst87 353 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 But it's not their loss when I have to listen to their conversation. Time to fight back against this inexorable march of technology..it's all fine in the right place. Maybe ships should have areas for you phone addicts like they have for nicotine addicts.. After all it's like a drug to some people. Me..I was brought up in an age when the words mobile and phone meant you got up off your derriere and walked to the nearest phone box. Usually at 6 o' clock for the cheap calls. When did we start talking about people taking phone calls. I thought we were talking about text messaging and people with their heads buried in their phones. I don't defend people who have loud phone conversations in quiet, public areas. I also don't consider myself addicted to my phone. A text message isn't harming anyone though, and isn't intrusive to anyone else around the person receiving the text. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terminator 916 Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 "When did we start talking about people taking phone calls" We didn't, and this is one of those subjects like smoking that could be discussed until the cows come home as we seem to have differing opinions. Technology is a useful tool but in my case I won't let it rule my life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawitch 291 Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 I have signed up to 'go green'with the cruise companies and travel agents and receive a couple of e-mails each day. We print off our own labels and tickets but it still does not stop the constant flood of 'special offer' postcards and leaflets. Barely a day goes by without at least one in the post usually two or three. The record still stands at 17. If they stopped all these they would probably be able to reinstate some of the little treats that have gone missing over the years. ron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pesky Pirate 172 Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 I don't get the special offers either by post or email. I was told that if you have cruises booked you don't get them… It doesn't mean that you are not interested in them though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ron 606 Posted April 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 TPP Send me your address and I will have mine redirected to you and we have cruises booked, we get around one a day from P&O and Bolsover they do have some good offers though, keep smiling Ron Cruiseada 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dst87 353 Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Looks like NCL are making all my iDevice dreams come true! http://www.ncl.com/downloads/iconcierge Furby 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Furby 441 Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 Looks like NCL are making all my iDevice dreams come true! http://www.ncl.com/downloads/iconcierge that looks brilliant! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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